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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
Kalyta escribió:Claras las palabras de Liam, pero como el reportero dice, él (Liam) todavía quiere esperar un tiempo para dar una declaración oficial de lo que pasó con Noel y no hablar motivado por la ira, también dice que más adelante la relación con su hermano podría mejorar así que no veo esto como la última palabra de Liam porque todavía no ha hecho la "declaración oficial". Tal vez Noel vuelve y sigue Oasis, tal vez no, lo cierto es que como dicen, sus canciones ya son parte de nuestra vida y siempre estarán ahí.
AGREE.
Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
ANGEL_OASIS escribió:Kalyta escribió:Claras las palabras de Liam, pero como el reportero dice, él (Liam) todavía quiere esperar un tiempo para dar una declaración oficial de lo que pasó con Noel y no hablar motivado por la ira, también dice que más adelante la relación con su hermano podría mejorar así que no veo esto como la última palabra de Liam porque todavía no ha hecho la "declaración oficial". Tal vez Noel vuelve y sigue Oasis, tal vez no, lo cierto es que como dicen, sus canciones ya son parte de nuestra vida y siempre estarán ahí.
AGREE.
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
Estas declaraciones son OFICIALES
No hay peor ciego, que el que no quiere ver.
Oasis se acabó.
No hay peor ciego, que el que no quiere ver.
Oasis se acabó.
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
Robert_Noel escribió:ilazo escribió:gustavolm escribió:Si, asi es Kemolie!kemolie escribió:Y este sábado en el Keko Bar, lo demostraremos como siempre!
Y nomas espero que no salga algun (o el mismo) idiota a llamar oportunistas a The Noise por su tributo. Digo... porque la última vez también fue asi.
Saludos,
Lo mismo se me vino a la mente... que iban a "comentar" lo mismo sobre oportunismo...
bah!!!
...uhmmm...
o será que Clemente es medio brujo? ... jjejejeje... broma :p
clemente lo tenia todo planeado ...
solo un mongolito puede afirmar que alguien haga un evento basandose en estos hechos que nadie los sabe
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
Oasis dejo de existir hace meses, veo q tovia piensan q Oasis seguira...
No se van a juntar mas!
Hay vida despues de Oasis xsiak...
No se van a juntar mas!
Hay vida despues de Oasis xsiak...
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
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Al fin diste declaraste Liam, bien..
Creo que se acabo.
Ahora si..
A enmarcar uno de mis Polos Historicos del 30!
Noel, eres un cabron!
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jojojo
Fire
Al fin diste declaraste Liam, bien..
Creo que se acabo.
Ahora si..
A enmarcar uno de mis Polos Historicos del 30!
Noel, eres un cabron!
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jojojo
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
juancampost@gmail.com escribió:Robert_Noel escribió:ilazo escribió:gustavolm escribió:Si, asi es Kemolie!kemolie escribió:Y este sábado en el Keko Bar, lo demostraremos como siempre!
Y nomas espero que no salga algun (o el mismo) idiota a llamar oportunistas a The Noise por su tributo. Digo... porque la última vez también fue asi.
Saludos,
Lo mismo se me vino a la mente... que iban a "comentar" lo mismo sobre oportunismo...
bah!!!
...uhmmm...
o será que Clemente es medio brujo? ... jjejejeje... broma :p
clemente lo tenia todo planeado ...
solo un mongolito puede afirmar que alguien haga un evento basandose en estos hechos que nadie los sabe
jajajaja pero si hay mas de uno que dijeron eso jejejejej
pero no jue san clemente
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
Es extraño el darse cuenta de que Oasis no va mas, pero como dicen... hay que aceptarlo.
Pero quizás lo mas chocante es que hace unos cuantos meses pudimos verlos en vivo en su mejor momento sin duda. Esta gira fue la mejor sin duda alguna.
Yo creo que por eso nos cuesta tanto aceptar los hechos.. Oasis estuvo por aca hace tan poco, y ahora, hace tan poco se han disuelto... fue como una estrella fugaz, la viste un momento, la disfrutaste y ahora la ves desvanecer
Pero quizás lo mas chocante es que hace unos cuantos meses pudimos verlos en vivo en su mejor momento sin duda. Esta gira fue la mejor sin duda alguna.
Yo creo que por eso nos cuesta tanto aceptar los hechos.. Oasis estuvo por aca hace tan poco, y ahora, hace tan poco se han disuelto... fue como una estrella fugaz, la viste un momento, la disfrutaste y ahora la ves desvanecer
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
La negación es un estado natural, es doloroso pero Oasis llegó a su fin.
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
Tano escribió:EL SABADO 10, TODOS A UNA SÒLA VOZ!
Asi es Tano a solo un dia del tributo , todos pondremos de nuestra parte para hacer de este un gran tributo.
saludos gente
moraleja: no hay q ser oportunistas jajajaja
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
chrisliam escribió:Tano escribió:EL SABADO 10, TODOS A UNA SÒLA VOZ!
Asi es Tano a solo un dia del tributo , todos pondremos de nuestra parte para hacer de este un gran tributo.
saludos gente
moraleja: no hay q ser oportunistas jajajaja
jojojojo
y si tienen una notica nueva sobre esto.... la copian... no vayan a poner un link para ir a leer la noticia en otra web (ahhh y la traducen peee) jajajaja....
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
Bueno, esto ya lo sabía desde el 28 de agosto, dia del concierto de LFC. no me sorprende en lo absoluto.
Que bueno que a Liam no se lo ocurrió seguir con oasis sin Noel, lo cual hubiera sido demasiado patetico.
Que bueno que a Liam no se lo ocurrió seguir con oasis sin Noel, lo cual hubiera sido demasiado patetico.
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
sheep escribió:Bueno, esto ya lo sabía desde el 28 de agosto, dia del concierto de LFC. no me sorprende en lo absoluto.
Que bueno que a Liam no se lo ocurrió seguir con oasis sin Noel, lo cual hubiera sido demasiado patetico.
PATÉTICO
esa es la palabra.
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sheep escribió:
Que bueno que a Liam no se lo ocurrió seguir con oasis sin Noel, lo cual hubiera sido demasiado patetico.
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Ey Señorita..
Liam no hizo el intento de nada y usted ya lo califica de " patetico " por algun supuesto suyo?
Portese bonito nomas,
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Fire_Gallagher escribió:sheep escribió:
Que bueno que a Liam no se lo ocurrió seguir con oasis sin Noel, lo cual hubiera sido demasiado patetico.
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Ey Señorita..
Liam no hizo el intento de nada y usted ya lo califica de " patetico " por algun supuesto suyo?
Portese bonito nomas,
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jojojo
Fire
cha pasa causa?
tranquilito no más, no me des la contra que no te conviene.
además por eso dije "HUBIERA" en un supuesto.
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
sheep escribió:Fire_Gallagher escribió:sheep escribió:
Que bueno que a Liam no se lo ocurrió seguir con oasis sin Noel, lo cual hubiera sido demasiado patetico.
...
Ey Señorita..
Liam no hizo el intento de nada y usted ya lo califica de " patetico " por algun supuesto suyo?
Portese bonito nomas,
...
jojojo
Fire
cha pasa causa?
tranquilito no más, no me des la contra que no te conviene.
además por eso dije "HUBIERA" en un supuesto.
...
Es que te metes con alguien del barrio, pes
Tssssssss....pasa, pasa nomas que llamo a toda mi bateria!
Te perdono, porque eres Mi Ove!
Sigamos con el tema!
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jojojo
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
es triste, pero al menos ya lo sabemos, esta declaracion era la que estabamos esperando.
hoy pase por el nacional
hoy pase por el nacional
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
Thank You For The Good Times, en situaciones como estas se suele utilizar metáforas para describir el momento y creo que ya voy agotando todas....
pd. Y claro que hay vida!
pd. Y claro que hay vida!
ES DEFINITIVO: OASIS LLEGO A SU FIN (TEXTO COMPLETO) [TRADUCCION]
Estimados mads,
El presente topic tiene como finalidad proporcionar un acceso directo y a texto completo de lo que fue la entrevista a Liam Gallagher publicada en el timesonline.co.uk en la que éste confirma que luego de todos los tristes acontecimientos que todos conocemos, la banda finalmente llegó a su fin.
Primero verán la versión en inglés de la noticia. Y en unos dias se publicará la versión en español de la misma que será producto de este foro.
Por favor, los que deseen colaborar con este proyecto sirvanse enviar por MP los párrafos que hayan traducido o deseen traducir (por ejemplo, ya contamos de arranque con el usuario J que hizo su traduccion de partes importantes de la entrevista).
Muy independiente que sea un trabajo del foro, evidentemente se reconocerá los créditos a quienes hagan el aporte respectivo.
Hasta el dia de hoy no he visto la notica traducida de manera integra al español. Trabajemos rapido para ser los primeros y presentarla al mundo.
Hagamos que el "Peru you're on fucking top" tenga sentido una vez mas.
Cordiales saludos,
Gustavo.
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From: The Times
October 8, 2009
Liam Gallagher: the end of Oasis
Oasis is dead and buried but Liam Gallagher has a new gig. Just don’t call it fashion
Backstage, Paris, pre-Oasis gig, August 28, 2009. Noel and Liam, those Gallagher brothers, have yet another spectacular row. Noel reportedly smashes Liam’s guitar (which had been given to him by his wife Nicole, née Appleton). The show is cancelled.
This is drama, but surely not particularly out-of-the-ordinary drama — after all, the Gallagher brothers, defining members of the defining British band of the past 20 years, have been rowing since they were toddlers. Fraternal aggro is programmed into their DNA. It turns out, though, that this spat is, for Noel at least, an Oasis-killer. Shortly afterwards he formally exits the biggest British band since the Beatles. He posts this explanation: “People will write and say what they like but I simply could not go on working with Liam a day longer.”
Liam — the only Gallagher still in Oasis — has so far kept shtoom about that bust-up and the future of his band. Informed speculation has it that Oasis is not over; that Liam (the lead singer, the charismatic one, the one the fans chant for even if Noel wrote all the big tunes) will carry on.
Liam Gallagher pronounces Oasis dead, over, kaput, when we are more than halfway through a running-late, already-cancelled-once interview that I had expected — given his boorish, hard-to-handle reputation — to be neither enjoyable nor revelatory. Under no circumstances, ran the edict, would Liam be discussing Noel, his brother’s departure from the band, the future of the band, or anything band-sensitive. Get it? This was to be an interview about clothes; Liam’s passion for them and, most of all, his new fashion label Pretty Green, which some have suggested (a lame suggestion, surely) was a factor in Noel’s apoplectic departure.
Yet by the time Liam, barely prompted, answers the question over which fans and music journalists have been angsting, I am already unsure whether Liam’s reputation is entirely justified. First, though, in barely edited Liamese, here is the bit about which Oasis fans will care most.
Liam: “We’ve always had a lot of fun [he means on tour with the band]. I’ve always had a lot of fun [his eyes flash devilishly].
“That’s why it was never hard work for me. It was a joy and it was always a bit of a bummer when the tour ended. You know [he pauses wistfully], it was great. Obviously you’ve got to get back and see the missus and the kids and all that. Nothing lasts for ever. But it was never, ‘Uh, f***, I need to get off the tour because my head’s up my arse’.” [Could he be referring, obliquely, to Noel? Most probably.]
Times2: “Oasis is your band. Is it fair to say that this [gestures at rack of Pretty Green autumn/winter 2009 collection] is a solo projection?” (I meant “solo project” but was nervous. He is a bit unsettling.)
Liam. “Well, Oasis is no longer. I think we all know that. So that’s done.”
Times2: “You genuinely feel that?”
Liam: “Oh, I know. Without a doubt. And it’s a shame but that’s life. We had a good run at it. The thing about Oasis is, no one ... we ended Oasis. No one ended it for us. Which was pretty, kind of ... cool (the word “cool” is enunciated with venom). I’m thinking of what the next step is musically, which is all my mind’s on.”
Apart, that is, from Pretty Green, the Liam Gallagher collection of clothes and shoes (and more, but that’s for the future) dreamt up one day last November, in mid-tour, when he was sitting by a pool in Los Angeles with Steve Allen, his security man turned man Friday. Here’s Liam again: “We started talking about clothes — mainly shoes. I’ve got a big thing for shoes and that. And we just got this Pretty Green thing ... it happened. We started writing the name and that, wrote it like a Paul Smith [logo] kind of thing. It looked a bit naff, so we put it in a circle — and away we went.”
Last November, perhaps not entirely by coincidence, there had been a swirl of speculation that Noel planned to go solo. Liam (majority shareholder and ultimate boss of Pretty Green ) and Steve (its CEO) all but finalised their logo at the poolside and decided to go for it. Nearly a year later, and this month Pretty Green will put out its first full collection, created by the Nottingham-based menswear designer Nick Holland but utterly subject to Liam’s approval. Apparently he sent back 19 prototype T-shirts because they were not the right weight: Liam hates heavy T-shirts.
Just like Oasis’s songs and the Pretty Green logo (reminiscent of the Rubber Soul album cover), there are a lot of Beatles references in the clothes. There is the majorette hat that Liam calls the Lennon and the fantastic heavy melton coat that he calls The Fool on The Hill. Then there are collarless leather jackets in green, black and burgundy, made from super-soft Wagu leather: “Remember the old Beatles jackets when they had to wear the suits and that? Before they were aware of their own clothes and Brian Epstein used to make them wear them? So I just thought of like that, get rid of the collar and stuff. And that’s basically my kind of take on it. People might not kind of like that kind of thing. But f *** ’em.”
Well, f*** ’em to a certain extent, perhaps, Liam. But this is a serious concern, isn’t it, not a sideline vanity project? You want people to like the gear and buy the gear and make Pretty Green a business venture? Liam: “Yeah, but my take on it is the way I took my music thing. You can’t force it down people’s throats. You either dig it or you don’t. I’m not going to cry overnight, worrying if people are going to buy the clothes or not.”
Well, I suppose you don’t need to (as in, you’re a multimillionaire). He knows what I mean: “I know what you mean but I’m not going to ram it down people’s throats. I think it’s a lot cooler when you go (spreads his arms) ‘there it is’. And you let people decide for themselves, you know what I mean?”
I do. So without ramming it down your throats, let’s just say that is an extremely fine collection of clothes for men. Best of all are the jackets — a gorgeous, I-want-it pea coat in stretchy, yielding, wicked British wool and a beautiful slim-cord number that I imagine Peter Sellers would have leapt upon. That Crimea-cut melton is lovely, too: less expensive and more attractive than D&G’s recent version but, Liam concedes, heavy: “You’ve gotta have a f***ing strong back for that one. You’ve got to be in Poland, or summat!”
This season’s collection is exclusively black and white but next spring the palette gets more adventurous, the musical references broader. That’s when the sea island/cashmere mix knitwear, my favourite element after those jackets, will come into its own. Other bits are rather too Liam — too dress-up — for me, such as the Liamdesigned Paisley Nehru kaftan (very Ringo-ish, very Donovan-esque) and that Lennon hat. But the desert boots — the first thing that Liam decided Pretty Green would produce — are top-notch: simple and tasteful. Liam is a connoisseur of desert boots. “The Clarks ones are a bit pointy, I’ve always found,” he says. “I wanted to bring a bit of a square toe back in. They come in black, like this” — he waves at the pair on the coffee table between us — “and a dark brown and a camelly colour. But it’s not quite right yet, the camelly colour. It’s too camel.”
Liam talks about, in the long term, opening a Pretty Green shop and “banging out” furniture, art and everything else he loves. “We’re going to be F***ING massive!” For now, though, he is focusing on the clothes.
Pretty Green is no passing fancy, he insists. Could it be a retirement scheme, post-Oasis? After all, Liam is 37 now. I suggest that the label could be the perfect project on which to focus in his rock’n’roll dotage, if he doesn’t fancy doing a Mick Jagger and shaking his hips into his sixties. Liam leaps on that one: “There’ll be no shaking me hips, man! I’ve had 18 years of not shaking any-f***ing-thing!
“If I’m into it, then I’ll do it as long as I can, you know what I mean? Clothes and music are totally the exact same for me. So I’ll be doing music to the day I die and I’ll be doing this till the day I die. Hopefully.”
Liam loves his clothes. We are in a studio in Kentish Town, northwest London, where he has just finished shooting the Pretty Green look book. He is wearing a green parka by the label (accessorised with a Stone Roses badge), his own desert boots (black) and jeans “by a friend of mine”.
He has almost always been into his gear, since he was “ about 13, 14. Even before that. You want to look good. Girls are involved, you know what I mean? I was into the old tracksuits. I used to breakdance years ago, so I was into, like, Tacchini [Sergio] and stuff like that. That was good.” B-boyish? “Well, I never wore silly ’ats and that, turned sideways. I just wore the tracksuit.”
I say that I didn’t know he had an electro heritage. “Yeah, that was the first kind of music I got into, really. It was before gangsta rap. Old electro music. I used to go out with this girl called Gina Armitage, who was a beautiful lady — she’s not alive any more — and we used to just go around with a piece of lino, doing a bit of breakdancing in town, trying to get some money.” Were you good? “Not as good as her. She was good, man.”
Reeling from the “Liam Gallagher: breakdancer” revelation, I bowl him an underarm: Steve mentioned that he, Liam, loves shopping? (Steve also mentioned, though I don’t mention this to Liam, that on tour he has to carry Liam’s shoe bag on his person at all times, after a German hotel made the cataclysmic error of losing it). “Yeah, mate. I just love clothes. I can’t sit in a room. Our Kid used to sit in his hotel room all the time. I haven’t got a f***ing clue what he got up to, probably cross-dressing or summat. But I’d be out. Bags in and that’s it, find out where the shops are.”
That pop at Our Kid — old Noel — is classic Liam shtick. He likes to provoke, whether it’s other bands, the press, politicians, whatever. When I ask about his new house (in Hampstead, northwest London, just up the road from the old one but with more room for his sons Lennon and Gene to roam), he delights in claiming that his wardrobe is bigger than that of Nicole, “the missus”. And how does she feel about that? “She ain’t got much say!” Then he backs off: “I’m only joking. There’s enough (wardrobe) space for the both of us.”
He doesn’t back off, though, when I raise the F-word. Isn’t there a perception that men with a strong interest in fashion are a bit effeminate? Liam: “I can go with that. I’m down with my feminine side, without a f***ing doubt. But I’m not a fashion designer. I’m not into the fashion side of it [he says the word “fashion” with far more bile than he does his favourite F-word]. I’m just into making top clobber that I like. You won’t see me at a f***ing fashion show.
You’ve never been? “A couple of years ago. It was rubbish. They talk a load of shit, don’t they? About nothing. It’s not real.”
There are lots of attractive women in that kind of world, though, I provoke. “If that’s what you’re into, man. If you’re into f***ing chopsticks.”
OK, so if you don’t see yourself as entering the “fashion” world, then the emphasis stays on music? “I just see myself as Liam Gallagher, musician, making some proper clothes for people who think like me.”
Which is how?
“I don’t know. I wouldn’t like to just spit it out, I’d like to have a think about that. But someone who is passionate about both, you know what I mean, but not in a f***ing ... it’s not going to save the world. It’s not going to cure cancer. It’s just a f***ing quick fix, isn’t it?”
So you’re not going to oversell it?
“No, I’m not going to oversell it. And I’m not going to oversell me, either.”
That’s important, isn’t it?
“It is to me. The way we are doing this is important to me.”
Are there misconceptions about you?
“Yeah. Millions.”
Would you like to point some out?
“Not really. I’m not arsed, I don’t give a f*** what people think about me, except the people I care for, you know what I mean.”
Hm, I say, what shall we talk about now? We’ve got straight into a lot of serious stuff already.
“That’s the thing about [my] music. I get to it straight away with lyrics and that. And then I’m stuck and I think, f***, I’ve got to write another f***ing verse and I’ve said everything I want to say in the first verse.”
“Are we done, then?” Yeah, 28 minutes. “There you go, f***ing perfect!” He slaps my back. Dictaphone off. And it’s “cheers” and, by the way, you do understand that this interview will have to post-mortem all those recent spits and spats and splits with Noel, despite that PR edict not to talk about it? He knows what I mean.
And then, infuriatingly, he starts to talk about Noel and the break-up. He wants to wait a while before really giving his side of what happened between them. He doesn’t want what he says — his “Oasis headstone” — to be said in anger and irrevocable. He wants the dust to settle. Anyway, it’s not all for the worst, he adds, because Noel can do his thing and I can do mine. I press “record’”.
Liam: “People will be able to buy his records. People will be able to buy our records. So everyone’s happy.”
Times2: “And maybe, in time, the relationship (with Noel) will be different? And it won’t be all about the music and the management?
Liam: “Exactly! Exactly! Well, that’s a long way off yet, man, but who knows.”
Liam Gallagher: a semi-scary, tightly wound wind-up merchant — absolutely. But also serious, sensitive, impassioned and, from the look that flitted across his face at the end there, a man who misses his brother. Furthermore, a producer of rocking clobber for men. Who knew?
For more details, see prettygreen.com. Thje collection goes on sale this month at Outlets including Selfridges (London and Manchester); Flannels (nationwide); Cruise (Edinburgh and Glasgow); Philip Browne (Norwich) and Peggs & Son (Brighton).
Fuente: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article6864909.ece
El presente topic tiene como finalidad proporcionar un acceso directo y a texto completo de lo que fue la entrevista a Liam Gallagher publicada en el timesonline.co.uk en la que éste confirma que luego de todos los tristes acontecimientos que todos conocemos, la banda finalmente llegó a su fin.
Primero verán la versión en inglés de la noticia. Y en unos dias se publicará la versión en español de la misma que será producto de este foro.
Por favor, los que deseen colaborar con este proyecto sirvanse enviar por MP los párrafos que hayan traducido o deseen traducir (por ejemplo, ya contamos de arranque con el usuario J que hizo su traduccion de partes importantes de la entrevista).
Muy independiente que sea un trabajo del foro, evidentemente se reconocerá los créditos a quienes hagan el aporte respectivo.
Hasta el dia de hoy no he visto la notica traducida de manera integra al español. Trabajemos rapido para ser los primeros y presentarla al mundo.
Hagamos que el "Peru you're on fucking top" tenga sentido una vez mas.
Cordiales saludos,
Gustavo.
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From: The Times
October 8, 2009
Liam Gallagher: the end of Oasis
Oasis is dead and buried but Liam Gallagher has a new gig. Just don’t call it fashion
Backstage, Paris, pre-Oasis gig, August 28, 2009. Noel and Liam, those Gallagher brothers, have yet another spectacular row. Noel reportedly smashes Liam’s guitar (which had been given to him by his wife Nicole, née Appleton). The show is cancelled.
This is drama, but surely not particularly out-of-the-ordinary drama — after all, the Gallagher brothers, defining members of the defining British band of the past 20 years, have been rowing since they were toddlers. Fraternal aggro is programmed into their DNA. It turns out, though, that this spat is, for Noel at least, an Oasis-killer. Shortly afterwards he formally exits the biggest British band since the Beatles. He posts this explanation: “People will write and say what they like but I simply could not go on working with Liam a day longer.”
Liam — the only Gallagher still in Oasis — has so far kept shtoom about that bust-up and the future of his band. Informed speculation has it that Oasis is not over; that Liam (the lead singer, the charismatic one, the one the fans chant for even if Noel wrote all the big tunes) will carry on.
Liam Gallagher pronounces Oasis dead, over, kaput, when we are more than halfway through a running-late, already-cancelled-once interview that I had expected — given his boorish, hard-to-handle reputation — to be neither enjoyable nor revelatory. Under no circumstances, ran the edict, would Liam be discussing Noel, his brother’s departure from the band, the future of the band, or anything band-sensitive. Get it? This was to be an interview about clothes; Liam’s passion for them and, most of all, his new fashion label Pretty Green, which some have suggested (a lame suggestion, surely) was a factor in Noel’s apoplectic departure.
Yet by the time Liam, barely prompted, answers the question over which fans and music journalists have been angsting, I am already unsure whether Liam’s reputation is entirely justified. First, though, in barely edited Liamese, here is the bit about which Oasis fans will care most.
Liam: “We’ve always had a lot of fun [he means on tour with the band]. I’ve always had a lot of fun [his eyes flash devilishly].
“That’s why it was never hard work for me. It was a joy and it was always a bit of a bummer when the tour ended. You know [he pauses wistfully], it was great. Obviously you’ve got to get back and see the missus and the kids and all that. Nothing lasts for ever. But it was never, ‘Uh, f***, I need to get off the tour because my head’s up my arse’.” [Could he be referring, obliquely, to Noel? Most probably.]
Times2: “Oasis is your band. Is it fair to say that this [gestures at rack of Pretty Green autumn/winter 2009 collection] is a solo projection?” (I meant “solo project” but was nervous. He is a bit unsettling.)
Liam. “Well, Oasis is no longer. I think we all know that. So that’s done.”
Times2: “You genuinely feel that?”
Liam: “Oh, I know. Without a doubt. And it’s a shame but that’s life. We had a good run at it. The thing about Oasis is, no one ... we ended Oasis. No one ended it for us. Which was pretty, kind of ... cool (the word “cool” is enunciated with venom). I’m thinking of what the next step is musically, which is all my mind’s on.”
Apart, that is, from Pretty Green, the Liam Gallagher collection of clothes and shoes (and more, but that’s for the future) dreamt up one day last November, in mid-tour, when he was sitting by a pool in Los Angeles with Steve Allen, his security man turned man Friday. Here’s Liam again: “We started talking about clothes — mainly shoes. I’ve got a big thing for shoes and that. And we just got this Pretty Green thing ... it happened. We started writing the name and that, wrote it like a Paul Smith [logo] kind of thing. It looked a bit naff, so we put it in a circle — and away we went.”
Last November, perhaps not entirely by coincidence, there had been a swirl of speculation that Noel planned to go solo. Liam (majority shareholder and ultimate boss of Pretty Green ) and Steve (its CEO) all but finalised their logo at the poolside and decided to go for it. Nearly a year later, and this month Pretty Green will put out its first full collection, created by the Nottingham-based menswear designer Nick Holland but utterly subject to Liam’s approval. Apparently he sent back 19 prototype T-shirts because they were not the right weight: Liam hates heavy T-shirts.
Just like Oasis’s songs and the Pretty Green logo (reminiscent of the Rubber Soul album cover), there are a lot of Beatles references in the clothes. There is the majorette hat that Liam calls the Lennon and the fantastic heavy melton coat that he calls The Fool on The Hill. Then there are collarless leather jackets in green, black and burgundy, made from super-soft Wagu leather: “Remember the old Beatles jackets when they had to wear the suits and that? Before they were aware of their own clothes and Brian Epstein used to make them wear them? So I just thought of like that, get rid of the collar and stuff. And that’s basically my kind of take on it. People might not kind of like that kind of thing. But f *** ’em.”
Well, f*** ’em to a certain extent, perhaps, Liam. But this is a serious concern, isn’t it, not a sideline vanity project? You want people to like the gear and buy the gear and make Pretty Green a business venture? Liam: “Yeah, but my take on it is the way I took my music thing. You can’t force it down people’s throats. You either dig it or you don’t. I’m not going to cry overnight, worrying if people are going to buy the clothes or not.”
Well, I suppose you don’t need to (as in, you’re a multimillionaire). He knows what I mean: “I know what you mean but I’m not going to ram it down people’s throats. I think it’s a lot cooler when you go (spreads his arms) ‘there it is’. And you let people decide for themselves, you know what I mean?”
I do. So without ramming it down your throats, let’s just say that is an extremely fine collection of clothes for men. Best of all are the jackets — a gorgeous, I-want-it pea coat in stretchy, yielding, wicked British wool and a beautiful slim-cord number that I imagine Peter Sellers would have leapt upon. That Crimea-cut melton is lovely, too: less expensive and more attractive than D&G’s recent version but, Liam concedes, heavy: “You’ve gotta have a f***ing strong back for that one. You’ve got to be in Poland, or summat!”
This season’s collection is exclusively black and white but next spring the palette gets more adventurous, the musical references broader. That’s when the sea island/cashmere mix knitwear, my favourite element after those jackets, will come into its own. Other bits are rather too Liam — too dress-up — for me, such as the Liamdesigned Paisley Nehru kaftan (very Ringo-ish, very Donovan-esque) and that Lennon hat. But the desert boots — the first thing that Liam decided Pretty Green would produce — are top-notch: simple and tasteful. Liam is a connoisseur of desert boots. “The Clarks ones are a bit pointy, I’ve always found,” he says. “I wanted to bring a bit of a square toe back in. They come in black, like this” — he waves at the pair on the coffee table between us — “and a dark brown and a camelly colour. But it’s not quite right yet, the camelly colour. It’s too camel.”
Liam talks about, in the long term, opening a Pretty Green shop and “banging out” furniture, art and everything else he loves. “We’re going to be F***ING massive!” For now, though, he is focusing on the clothes.
Pretty Green is no passing fancy, he insists. Could it be a retirement scheme, post-Oasis? After all, Liam is 37 now. I suggest that the label could be the perfect project on which to focus in his rock’n’roll dotage, if he doesn’t fancy doing a Mick Jagger and shaking his hips into his sixties. Liam leaps on that one: “There’ll be no shaking me hips, man! I’ve had 18 years of not shaking any-f***ing-thing!
“If I’m into it, then I’ll do it as long as I can, you know what I mean? Clothes and music are totally the exact same for me. So I’ll be doing music to the day I die and I’ll be doing this till the day I die. Hopefully.”
Liam loves his clothes. We are in a studio in Kentish Town, northwest London, where he has just finished shooting the Pretty Green look book. He is wearing a green parka by the label (accessorised with a Stone Roses badge), his own desert boots (black) and jeans “by a friend of mine”.
He has almost always been into his gear, since he was “ about 13, 14. Even before that. You want to look good. Girls are involved, you know what I mean? I was into the old tracksuits. I used to breakdance years ago, so I was into, like, Tacchini [Sergio] and stuff like that. That was good.” B-boyish? “Well, I never wore silly ’ats and that, turned sideways. I just wore the tracksuit.”
I say that I didn’t know he had an electro heritage. “Yeah, that was the first kind of music I got into, really. It was before gangsta rap. Old electro music. I used to go out with this girl called Gina Armitage, who was a beautiful lady — she’s not alive any more — and we used to just go around with a piece of lino, doing a bit of breakdancing in town, trying to get some money.” Were you good? “Not as good as her. She was good, man.”
Reeling from the “Liam Gallagher: breakdancer” revelation, I bowl him an underarm: Steve mentioned that he, Liam, loves shopping? (Steve also mentioned, though I don’t mention this to Liam, that on tour he has to carry Liam’s shoe bag on his person at all times, after a German hotel made the cataclysmic error of losing it). “Yeah, mate. I just love clothes. I can’t sit in a room. Our Kid used to sit in his hotel room all the time. I haven’t got a f***ing clue what he got up to, probably cross-dressing or summat. But I’d be out. Bags in and that’s it, find out where the shops are.”
That pop at Our Kid — old Noel — is classic Liam shtick. He likes to provoke, whether it’s other bands, the press, politicians, whatever. When I ask about his new house (in Hampstead, northwest London, just up the road from the old one but with more room for his sons Lennon and Gene to roam), he delights in claiming that his wardrobe is bigger than that of Nicole, “the missus”. And how does she feel about that? “She ain’t got much say!” Then he backs off: “I’m only joking. There’s enough (wardrobe) space for the both of us.”
He doesn’t back off, though, when I raise the F-word. Isn’t there a perception that men with a strong interest in fashion are a bit effeminate? Liam: “I can go with that. I’m down with my feminine side, without a f***ing doubt. But I’m not a fashion designer. I’m not into the fashion side of it [he says the word “fashion” with far more bile than he does his favourite F-word]. I’m just into making top clobber that I like. You won’t see me at a f***ing fashion show.
You’ve never been? “A couple of years ago. It was rubbish. They talk a load of shit, don’t they? About nothing. It’s not real.”
There are lots of attractive women in that kind of world, though, I provoke. “If that’s what you’re into, man. If you’re into f***ing chopsticks.”
OK, so if you don’t see yourself as entering the “fashion” world, then the emphasis stays on music? “I just see myself as Liam Gallagher, musician, making some proper clothes for people who think like me.”
Which is how?
“I don’t know. I wouldn’t like to just spit it out, I’d like to have a think about that. But someone who is passionate about both, you know what I mean, but not in a f***ing ... it’s not going to save the world. It’s not going to cure cancer. It’s just a f***ing quick fix, isn’t it?”
So you’re not going to oversell it?
“No, I’m not going to oversell it. And I’m not going to oversell me, either.”
That’s important, isn’t it?
“It is to me. The way we are doing this is important to me.”
Are there misconceptions about you?
“Yeah. Millions.”
Would you like to point some out?
“Not really. I’m not arsed, I don’t give a f*** what people think about me, except the people I care for, you know what I mean.”
Hm, I say, what shall we talk about now? We’ve got straight into a lot of serious stuff already.
“That’s the thing about [my] music. I get to it straight away with lyrics and that. And then I’m stuck and I think, f***, I’ve got to write another f***ing verse and I’ve said everything I want to say in the first verse.”
“Are we done, then?” Yeah, 28 minutes. “There you go, f***ing perfect!” He slaps my back. Dictaphone off. And it’s “cheers” and, by the way, you do understand that this interview will have to post-mortem all those recent spits and spats and splits with Noel, despite that PR edict not to talk about it? He knows what I mean.
And then, infuriatingly, he starts to talk about Noel and the break-up. He wants to wait a while before really giving his side of what happened between them. He doesn’t want what he says — his “Oasis headstone” — to be said in anger and irrevocable. He wants the dust to settle. Anyway, it’s not all for the worst, he adds, because Noel can do his thing and I can do mine. I press “record’”.
Liam: “People will be able to buy his records. People will be able to buy our records. So everyone’s happy.”
Times2: “And maybe, in time, the relationship (with Noel) will be different? And it won’t be all about the music and the management?
Liam: “Exactly! Exactly! Well, that’s a long way off yet, man, but who knows.”
Liam Gallagher: a semi-scary, tightly wound wind-up merchant — absolutely. But also serious, sensitive, impassioned and, from the look that flitted across his face at the end there, a man who misses his brother. Furthermore, a producer of rocking clobber for men. Who knew?
For more details, see prettygreen.com. Thje collection goes on sale this month at Outlets including Selfridges (London and Manchester); Flannels (nationwide); Cruise (Edinburgh and Glasgow); Philip Browne (Norwich) and Peggs & Son (Brighton).
Fuente: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article6864909.ece
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Re: Liam Gallagher da por terminado a Oasis
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OASIS TODA LA VIDA CSM!!!!
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OASIS TODA LA VIDA CSM!!!!
La piel de gallina y los ojos humedecidos.
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BUENISIMO EL VIDEO....ANGEL_OASIS escribió:gracias x los inolvidables momentos oasis, aqui un video tributo a la banda k amo con todo mi corazon!!!
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